Hello, I’m Phil, little host of the Private Investigator Experience, podcast where we talk about the life and cases of a private investigator. And one of the things that we do quite often is have a guest expert on, at some of the areas of, our life and work and issues that we’re facing in our country. Today we’re gonna be talking about and looking at the impact of child sex trafficking on the world and what is really going on with this subject. I found some staggering numbers when I’ve, looked just, casually around at this. They’re, saying in 2023, this estimated with 50,000, of, cases of various, both adult and children. Some numbers say 27 to 40 million worldwide have been affected by, this scourge. With more than 360,000 missing at any one time, and with more than a hundred, one or 9,000 of those being trafficked, sex traffic is the second largest black market in the us. They say with estimates of ninety-nine billion. I mean, this is a problem that so many of us aren’t even aware of this going on, and we don’t wanna know about it. Well, today I have a long time friend and associate I. Who, Has done something about it. He stepped out of the crowd and made a difference in his life and his service, and particularly for children. I heard growing up on the farm in Missouri, that how you could really identify the character of someone I. How they treated children and how they treated animals. Well, I don’t know about the animal side, but I know how our guest today has, treated this, problem and concern about, children. And if I gave this whole resume, I may, we’d be here talking for quite a while about it. So I’m gonna give you just some, highlights of it. basil ba and, that’s, A name you won’t, forget. Baz is known as a patron saint for Missing Kids. He’s a former CIA intelligence, special operations, group paramilitary case officer, recipient of the Intelligence commendation medal, former counterterrorism officer in the United States, Marine, Corps, and a graduate of the Citadel. Now in 19 ninety-three, Bass founded the Association for the Recovery of Children, an organization comprised of former and active, intelligence, military and law enforcement personnel dedicated to the recovery of missing and exploited American children. In foreign and domestic locations. He has, carried on his work. in twenty-nineteen on, invitation to the White House and DOJ, Baz introduced, a law and initiative that would increase, severe penalties for those involved in the sexual exploit of any child under the age of 18. He’s also an author of, Terrorism, Survival Handbook, and he’s been on a lot of the news media as a spokesperson. he’s also, I. A, a note here, Ben on, television, a producer, actor, and, other areas that he’s co-starred as a commander of, Raymond, Redmond’s, paramilitary group on our favorite show, the Black List of All Times Baz, your Well-known all over the world, and thank you for being on. I know Your Time’s valuable, and thank you for being our friend and a friend of the children


thanks, Phil for having me. It’s, it’s always a pleasure to be, in your company. So, we’re grateful. Thank you for having us.


how did your life start out? Where did you grow up and, how did you find yourself where you’re at today? How did it all start?


You know, wow. Most of the credit of everything I do, it goes to. my ancestors, my father, my grandfather, my grandfather came to America in 1914 from Beirut Lebanon, married a Native American woman. She was Waccamaw. They had 12 kids. One of those kids happened to be my father. he and all of his brothers, with the exception of his sister, served in the military. So I was raised, with a green Beret father who had a, good moral, code. An amazing mom who loved God. And, together, that combination, helped me grow to be, well, it helped me grow and stay out of trouble basically, I guess. So, I grew up traveling around the United States and other parts of the world, typical of most military kids, and, learned to love the country. In the way that our founding fathers loved this country, and, understood where we came from, our history and particularly from my grandfather’s side as an immigrant. he, there was nothing better than America. and so, we became Americans. my grandfather used to say. There aren’t any African Americans. There aren’t any Chinese Americans. There aren’t any Irish Americans. We all bleed the same color. We’re just Americans. As soon as we understand that, we’ll get along. So, that was a good way to grow up. And then, as you mentioned, I went to the Citadel, got out there, was captain of the Marine Corps, eventually got recruited by the CIA. And yes, in 19 ninety-three, particularly out of an experience in, Mogadishu Somalia. Most people remember an incident there called Black Hawk down prior to that incident, myself and a number of really amazing American warfighters rescued a couple of kids that were not indigenous to that area. And, so when I got back to the Statesville, I kind of just, thought that all kids kind of grew up the same. go to high school, go to college, and. Get a job and become an American and prosper and contribute to society. And at that time, much to my surprise, in 19 ninety-three, according to the information I was getting from friends in DOJ or local law enforcement, whatever it may be, there were about 250,000 missing in America. And they were just considered missing, kids. The word trafficking, Wasn’t really, a term people were using back in those days. but because there were judiciary, there were communication restraints, budgetary constraints, with law enforcement who needed to be doing this work at that time because it is a crime being committed. they were having a difficult time and so honestly on the advice of some really. Good. And they’re retired now. Law enforcement friends, they said, look, you’re CIA special operations guy. Why don’t you go save some kids? And so the Association for Recovery got started and from ninety-three to ninety-six on my holidays would go rescue a kid. And, by ninety-six, I was sold out, sounded like it was Guy God was calling me to go there. And, so ninety-six, I jumped ship from the CIA and did that full-time. and there were other things that took place in my life. for example, my, writing career and my film and television career, but those were not by design. And in fact, the first time I. Touched the film industry. a lady literally walked up to me in Tucson, Arizona and said, you should be on tv. And I was like, rolled my eyes. but she turned out to be an amazing friend named Nancy Good, who had a good friend named Holly Heuer, who was one of the most powerful casting directors in Hollywood. they got me on a show as a pa. no one really knew where he came from. I did. And, one thing led to another, Michael Greenberg and Larry Rappaport and a bunch of other people, producers, read some of my material, saw something in me, and they all kind of got behind me. And the next thing you know, I’m in Los Angeles, and a different career. And what was great about that is it afforded me the opportunity. To work, a schedule in the film industry that allowed me to also go rescue kids so it would pay my bills and I could go rescue kids. it’s been nice that way. I turned down a lot of jobs. Like I got asked to be the director of security for Monsanto and South Africa, you know, tremendous dollars, but it wouldn’t lemme go rescue kids. you know this more than anybody? You know what a calling is. It’s different than a nice thing to do. A calling is something that it tugs on your heart and non-stop and you realize that if, whatever needs to be done is gonna get done and get done right, you’re about the only person that’s gonna be able to do it. So, association for the recovery of children got started. More people kept joining me and now I think. We’re blessed to be the longest running child rescue organization in the United States. So that’s, that’s kind of how we got it.


When you mentioned about, you know, law enforcement and the work, I remember I was a young deputy out in California when I started, a long time ago, and you’d roll up on a domestic disturbance and you would so many times see the evidence. Of, child abuse and things happening to kids, but there wasn’t the, known, problems and you didn’t have the abilities then to do anything about it. Like today, you’d had to drive away sometimes knowing that you were leaving a child in danger, but you couldn’t do anything about it. And it was so. De-habilitating, particularly when you cared about children. And it’s, great, to see that what you’ve done and leading the charge on this for so much of, the awareness. But what, from 19 ninety-three, when you started, what have you seen? In this, the child trafficking area, has it grown? How has it grown? What are some of the outgrowths and where is the growth coming from? what have you seen in that area?


that’s a great question, Phil. Thank you. when I first started out, I, thought that it was just, Non-custodial, guardian, kidnapping, or maybe there was a little prostitution. as I dove into it more and over the years, what I’ve seen is that it has become, and I believe this number is pretty accurate,$150 billion, industry around the world. there’s an entire criminal enterprise that uses children as commodities Now. It is very well organized, where in the earlier days it was just a pimp here or a pedophile here, or whatever it may be. but with the advent of technology and other things, it’s become very sophisticated to the point that gangs are involved in it, the cartel is involved in it, and the cartel, you know, is worldwide. politicians are involved in it. Doctors, preachers, I the list goes on and on and on when it comes to the trafficking of children. in the earlier days, if you were to sit and kind of explain to somebody this, the logistical mechanism of child sex trafficking and how they move things around the world and showing people literally laughed at you and they thought it didn’t happen, they weren’t aware of it. they didn’t know the AO very well in the area of operation, and so these things seemed too fantastic for them, too Fantastic because they maybe would never touch a child and they couldn’t believe that somebody else would rape a two-year-old and then go as far as cutting the body up and maybe eating the body or disposing of the body, just some of the most bizarre, most sickening, most evil things on the planet. two. The most innocent in our life. But because also in America, and by the way, I think your audience needs to know this, we are the largest buyers of child sex and child sex porn in any other nation in the world. So, we don’t get a, a free, hall pass when it comes to this issue. But, I think because children are such a commodity. You know, I can sell you a kilo of cocaine, let’s say, and you use it up in a day or whatever, or or whenever you use it up. But I can sell you a little child over and over and over and over again, and make tons of money. so if we look at, the stats and numbers are just numbers. 400 some thousand American children missing last year. you don’t see 400 and some thousand American children walking on the streets, so you have to ask themselves where are they held to shoot child pornography, to be raped, to be sold, whatever it may be. And, I don’t think we always know. We don’t know that. We don’t have the answer for that. That’s why we NGOs and rescue and law enforcement are out there trying to clean this mess up. In addition to all that, because we’re an over-sexualized society, Phil, and because, and this is a major problem here because we do not have a respect for life. Look at how many millions of children we have aborted Yes. In our country. So there’s no value placed on a life. So when you tell somebody that somebody’s raping a two-year-old, or a three-year-old, they don’t really care because they’ll get rid of a nine. In the womb or whatever it may be. So the mentality of America, this is disposable mentality, just adds fuel to the fire when it comes to the abuse of children. And quite honestly, there are organizations in America that actually promote minor attracted persons. Pedophiles and they, think they’re so liberal that they should be able to have their way with children. And this should not be this way. So, if you get that and you add another little, another part to the chemistry, which is there’s just really weird sick people out there that just wanna have their way with children. you’ve got a big problem in America. So in America, Phil because it is so ugly. A lot of people don’t want to hear it. They wanna look the other way because if they look at it, they hear it, they might feel obligated to do something about it. Then there are those people that actually do hear it and see it, and they do something about it. Then there’s those people, like many of our law enforcement across America, that aren’t well-trained. The average law enforcement officer might get two hours of training. We put it, we give a six-day course, an intense course to teach people what you would learn in about twenty-one years of being out on the street to bring’em up to speed. So we’ve got a lot of people missing, the target here, to be honest with you, in America. and then finally, and it pains me to say this, we have a lot of NGOs that have turned this into a business model. whether it’s. Someone starting a new NGO to say, we rescue kids, or an aftercare that may say we have 40 beds, but they really only have four beds. But they have great marketing teams that go after these multimillion dollar grants that the government puts out there with no oversight when it comes to spending. And they’re making a, business out of it and paying themselves big salaries and. That’s a shame. I think our organization is probably one of the only organizations that I know of that actually does not receive a paycheck. It’s all volunteer. we get donations to cover operations, but we’ve done that on purpose so that we could try and be squeaky clean. Because 15, 20 years ago, I knew that people were gonna get on board as, a business model, and they were gonna start paying themselves.’cause I saw it happening in, other areas, And so those are the things we deal with here in America that, are, challenging, so to speak.


my mind, is jumping many different ways of all the things we could talk about here in this area. And, what is your opinion on how much has we call it brainwashing or re-education of our children That started. Well, 30, 40 years ago, pointedly to change the whole education system, take it out where we’re from, what we did and, and the good things about our country and making it this progressive, woke, not concerned about, life. And we can all be, any identity we want to be, just how we wake up this morning. How much is that? Has affected you think this area, and you kind of touched on, so much of, of our minds today, not only U.S. It’s bad, but even out around the world, don’t really care and wanna get involved in things. But how much of this whole destruction of our education system do you think has affected this area of growth in child trafficking?


It’s killing us as a nation. if you look at, at the fact that we don’t even teach American history any longer, we don’t teach the, the founding fathers the Constitution, and you don’t, and you have people that don’t care about the country because they can’t appreciate how the country got here, then they don’t appreciate anything else. So if you can’t appreciate the country you live in and the valuable history we had, how can you. Appreciate getting involved with. its issues. You don’t, you’re, out here for a free ride. It’s, a kind of a Stalinist approach. You know, it’s kinda like, let’s take down all our statues of whatever it is, and now nobody will understand the history and we’ll repeat that history. so let’s get rid of that so we can generations later, we can teach them what we want to teach them, which is socialism, to be honest with you. and no one’s gonna respect the country or see the value in it because we don’t teach’em the national anthem. We don’t teach’em Pledge of Allegiance. we’re literally destroying our country. If you take a look at right now, the border, the open border situation, not, I’m just gonna segue a little bit into that. Yeah. I don’t know what we have in the country now. Somebody told me two days ago, 5.3 million illegal immigrants, maybe, I don’t know the answer. Think about this. None of those illegal immigrants, they’re illegal. They committed a crime, are gonna come into America and study history one-on-one, they’re not gonna appreciate this country. They won’t know what it’s to be like and be a American. They’re not gonna do the Pledge of Allegiance. They’re not gonna support the Constitution. They’re not gonna support the educational system, and they are certainly not gonna support an agenda to save children in this country because it means nothing to them. Most of the people that have come into this country come from a third-World Nation, where I can already tell you because I’ve traveled it and you have as well. The value they put on Children’s lives is like. Minimal minimal. I mean, we’ve got parents selling their children in third-world countries for money, trafficking their own children. So you’ve got that. And then you’ve got somebody like, and I, and I don’t really, I’ll say it, you’ve got like the bozo, you vice president and the, and the bigger bozo president that makes a statement. We’re gonna carve the path to citizenship for all of these illegal citizens. Well, that’s a ploy. They’re gonna bring all these people in and they’re gonna get’em to vote Socialism and Democrat because they want bigger government. They want to control, and I’m gonna go somewhere with this bigger government thing. They want bigger government, they want socialist government. They want people have to depend on the government because we can’t feed those people. We can’t give them work. And so now you’ve got a bunch of people that have no sense of nationalism. So now the country’s falling apart. And so here you go to big government. And big government particularly this administration is responsible for one of the largest child sex trafficking issues in this country. Right now we’ve got eighty-six thousand immigrant children that are missing because of this government. We got another 9,000 that were hunting down, and I know that for a fact’cause our team was the first team on the ground in Chattanooga Tennessee. When the night flights came in, I sent my report. Up to ice. Ice got back in touch with me and said, the Biden administration’s in charge of this. They told us hands off. So the Biden administration, a socialist, left-wing, bunch of clowns is trafficking children in America, bringing children in. They go, well, they’re going to their families, they’re going to sponsors. That’s not the case. Congress knows it’s not the case. We’ve lost eighty-six thousand of them. Where are they? I’ll tell you where we’re gonna find them. Child pornography. Child, sex, slavery, labor, slavery, whatever it may be. If you take all of that and you look at how it all got started, it all comes from very much what you’re talking about, Phil we’re not educating people in America. We’re not educating our children. And those children we’re not educating, they’re not gonna care about this issue. They think the government’s gonna take care of’em, and you and I know that this woke generation. It’s gonna end up in slavery itself. They’ll end up bodgered in slavery, not sex slavery, but they’ll end up in slavery with a socialist government and they won’t care about all the other things like children because they’re gonna have their own problems to deal with. So it’s all by design, we know that. and we should have cleaned that up. We’ve got, a lot of socialist professors. Teaching in colleges and high schools. we’ve got everything that you can think of going on it’s really crushing our nature. If our nation was the way it should be, we would set the death penalty in this country to say anybody sexually exploits a child, that’s what you get. Yes, that’s the message we would send because we protect our children, we love our children, but this administration does not love our children. This administration aborts our children. This administration brings children in and puts them into sex slavery, unaccountability and list goes on and now they’re doing it to illegal immigrant children. There. they are the most treasonous administration this nation has ever had in the history of America. I don’t mind saying it, and everybody knows, I generally say things, everybody else is thinking they just don’t wanna say it. Right. But that’s what it’s, and this administration should be yanked by the collar pulled out and put in jail for that treason and, and child sex trafficking and other crimes that are being committed. Then maybe we could kind of get back on the right path.


Right. This is mind boggling to me at how. People and on both sides of the aisle. Well, we’ve got Republicans back there absolutely. That, that are co-opting this and, and going along with, this facade of staying in political power. years ago, many years ago, we were watching and I was very involved down in Mexico and, the head of my operation down there was a very amazing man connected. And, but one of the times, we were tasked, we put a couple of our agents, Mexican, toughies on the, train the Beast coming out of, Guatemala, headed north, and they rode that up. This was. 20 years ago or more. And, we were tracking the PLO particularly was the growth. And then, Hamas and Hezbollah, both in, Baja have have grown tremendously and I challenge people that listen and watch this, do some research on what is going on around this, open border. Really what’s happened as I’ve, been looking down around there, our border patrol has become a travel agent. And what all they’re doing is processing, people coming in and letting them in. And then, they’re gone. And I’ve had firsthand accounts down in that border with how the trafficking has, coming into Mexico City and it’s all cartels and like you said. It’s like Hamas, is just not in Israel, and in Gaza, they’re all over the world. as well as Hezbollah is a big one. But these cartels are picking them up in Mexico City, getting’em into buses, and they are, 10 to$15,000 a person. But then these young attractive girls, their teens and early teens, they’re separating them out. They’re pulling’em away from their families and taken’em away and put them into to sex trafficking and slavery. And we as a country. political, element are allowing that to happen.




I don’t understand how. And when you look at what happened, I was shocked by, October the seventh because my whole real interest in counterterrorism started in Israel, southern Lebanon. And I’ve worked a lot with, been there a lot on the ground. And I know how efficient, how good the Israelis are. But then when I, was talking to some people after October 7th, I learned something that really shocked me. I thought never in Israel, but they said their intelligence services had been, co-opted some by people with woke ideology in Israel. Excuse me. And so what they were doing, they were getting warnings. From people on the ground in Gaza, they’re Israelis, police and military. Something’s up. Something’s going to happen. We need to beef up our, forces along the border. They said, oh no, it’s nothing there. They didn’t report it or whatever. They reported up because I think a lot of it, they thought, well, the Abraham Accord is here. We’re gonna have some peace. But they they didn’t act and they got caught and Flat-footed. Then the other thing that happened from that is how much anti-Semitism rose, like a, it was just like a toy. It rose all over the, world. If we don’t learn from that. These numbers of American young people, they’re out on the streets saying from the, river to the sea. They don’t know what river or what sea. They don’t know what this is all about. We’re going to see the same kind of violence to happen in our country, and it’s not going to be just the children. It’s gonna be on everybody. But this is a subject Baz that. Americans need to wake up. And so we all need to be crying out a lot more, but what happens when you get a call? You get somebody come to you and say, my, child’s missing. Or somebody missing, what goes first into your mind? And you don’t, have to give away secrets here, but much as you can talk about what, how do you then form the steps of what you’re going to do? Recover that child, what’s kind of the process?


Phil, you know me well enough these years, the very first thing is I just, hit my knees and, pray for the safety of the kid. That’s the very first thing I do. the second thing we do is we have, those custodial guardians or law enforcement, whatever, give us a story, a report on everything that we can collect, all the intel we can collect on the child, their whereabouts, their perpetrators, or potential perpetrators. just everything, all the legalities of that, to look at. Whether we can actually go get that child or not. You know, we’ve gotta, have a lead. You know this as a detective. we also look at financing to make sure we have a budget to go get a child. A child could be anywhere, child could be in three states over, but child could also be three countries over. then, We, take all of that and, we get together, bring in my team members. If we think there’s an opportunity that the child is still alive, we’ll launch an operation to go get that kid back. Most of the time we coordinate that with law enforcement at multiple levels, local, state, and federal to find out what’s already being done. I’d say 80% of the time when these cases come to us and nothing’s being done. For a couple reasons. One, they’re inundated with crime or number two, they just don’t have the bandwidth to do it or they don’t want to do it. and then we’ll launch a team right after we find what we think is the location of the child. we’ll go in and get the child back, from whoever the perpetrator is. we don’t arrest the perpetrators. That’s not what we do. Or we look for windows of opportunity. To bring that child out. And we do that carefully with all the tradecraft that we’ve learned all over the years. one of the great things about being a former CIA officer is they train you very well, how to be invisible and how to, actually get the mission accomplished really below the radar. so this is how we kind of operate. We’re not about kicking doors in, I, unless we are in Syria going after children that ISIS has kidnapped. We’re not armed, generally we’re not armed in the United States. We don’t need to be. one of the things we’ve been able to do is broker good relationships with, gang members or former gang members. a lot of former bad guys. It’s kinda like dancing with the devil. You just don’t poke him in the eye kind of thing. They provide us with a lot of insight, a lot of intel because we’re not law enforcement officers, even though many are former. there’s no red tape for us to have to go through to have those relationships or those conversations, in order to do that. So that’s kind of the process we go through. once we do that, we’re off to the next one. we probably get five cases a week, that are, they go from. Maybe a mild case to just horrible cases. that’s how we do things. We get our intel from law enforcement, from government. we’re well known on our website now in this community of NGOs that a lot of NGOs will turn over cases to us, or we’ll do joint operations with strategic partners, to go get a kid or save a victim or whatever it may be. the interesting thing about now, and you were talking about how this has escalated. now what happens is if you have a trafficked victim, child or adult, if they want to testify against their perpetrators, most of their perpetrators, if it’s a gang or cartel, or if it’s corrupt, it’s a corrupt entity somewhere that shouldn’t be corrupt, they’ll do a witness disposal project. Where they try to get and actually kill off that person so they can never talk and all that kind of stuff. So we’re seeing more and more of that. It’s something the media doesn’t cover, like a kid gets rescued in a inner city, they put him on a bus to go to aftercare or an Uber or whatever it may be, and the child doesn’t make it and later found in the desert dead. Or maybe the child could run away, but the ones you find that are dead, no one wants to talk about it because there’s liability. It’s like, why did you put’em on a bus by themselves to send them to three states over to an aftercare facility? so, we know because it’s a business model that when you start disrupting a business model, there’s retaliation sometimes. So that’s our process for it.


I get asked a lot about what, what’s the favorite case you’ve ever done? What’s a case that stands out? And then I could have a whole lot of things going through my mind, but what would be a case that you’ve went on and you had this result that was just more heart wrenching and more, emotional than normal, in a recovery of a child and being able to reunite with a parent or family.


we don’t make this an emotional issue starting out the gate. It’s very mission focused, very logical. it’s months after when you start thinking about how it unfolded that you kind of get a little emotional about it. and I would tell anybody who wants to get into this arena, number one, understand the AO, the area of operation. Don’t think you just know something because you know the word trafficking’cause it’s not like that. You’ll get slapped upside the head really fast, you’ll fall on your sword. So you really need to understand the AO and, not making it an emotional issue, make it a logical issue and get the job done. and, a lot of, of our team members that are former war fighters or law enforcement can do that very well. we run into other NGOs where it is an emotional issue for them and it falls apart for them. So, I think, the most heart wrenching case. Which is actually still ongoing. it’s a case where there was, a girl that was sold in the trafficking here in the United States by her parents when she was seven years old. and she was, sold at auctions. she was chipped and she had a barcode. she was chained up for two years in a back house. she was exchanged from one handler to another. and in one day, And she was much older. she sought refuge. She was able to escape actually, and that’s a long story in itself. but she escaped and she found refuge at a church, in a certain state. And, was befriended by, the, youth leader who was a female and got invited over to the girls night on Wednesday night church group. And when she got there. there was nobody there but her and the youth leader. And so the youth leader actually said, why don’t you go get changed in your pajamas and we’ll just have popcorn and watch a movie ourselves. she didn’t notice when she went in the bedroom that the lock was on the outside of the door. she went in, got locked in, thought it was a joke. about an hour later, I think she said, the door opened and it was a law enforcement officer and the youth pastor who raped her, brutally raped her for four hours. he became her enforcer and the youth pastor became her handler. eventually over time we were able to get her out of that. but that case is still ongoing and it is a case that involves potentially one of the largest trafficking rings amongst law enforcement officers in America. Then you’ve got churches, and that shouldn’t be happening on any level. it hard, it hurts my heart to think that my law enforcement buddies who try to do a good job, that within the ranks of that brotherhood across America, they have to deal with this. But there’s some of the first ones behind closed doors to say, I got a problem with this. I got officers looking at child porn. Or porn or, have a kid that was prostituted and they paid for it or whatever it may be. And then you’ve got youth leaders and pastors and stuff, and it’s happening in our churches. And you go, well, that should never happen in a Baptist church. Well, it happened in the Vatican, the Catholic Church. Why can’t it happen in a Baptist church? So these things, that is probably the one that sits with our staff because it’s ongoing. regularly wondering, how’s that gonna, how did it all get that way and how’s it gonna end on everything? The other cases, we get a lot of joy out of when we’re able to rescue a kid out of something. but here’s the thing about it, Phil. These people that are trafficked, their life is ruined for as long as they’re on their, so I always ask people. How do you murder a child without killing them? You sexually exploit them. They die every single day. And if they’re fortunate and they make it to 18 without committing suicide, they’re still messed up the rest of their life, the trauma. So, I think it is a horrible thing to do to people. I think that the America needs to understand that, call it sex slavery, call it li labor slavery. Call it whatever you want, but it’s slavery. It’s bigger now than it ever was. I laugh, I actually scoff when I hear people, from certain communities start talking about slavery that happened back during the Confederacy or during the Civil War area, and yet they have more slavery in their own communities now. them trafficking their own people, so to speak. And it doesn’t matter across the board, it doesn’t matter if it’s white, it doesn’t matter if it’s black, it doesn’t matter if it’s Asian community, it doesn’t matter. They’re trafficking their own people, so to speak. And so I try to try to get this across. And when we start trying to put our people in a box, I try to get everybody in America to realize that it’s everybody. It’s not just black, it’s not Asian, it’s just white. I mean, it’s become such a, business model now that everybody’s in on it, so to speak. And we have to look at this as an American thing when we go to rescue a kid. I don’t care what color the kid is, that doesn’t even pass my mind, you know? And this bunch of BS, excuse my French, about racism and all this crap. And that’s what it is. Because I’m gonna tell you something. We all bleed the same color you get with us war fighters. we’re in the trenches together, we bleed the same color, and it’s just a distraction for people to act like victims and not take accountability for cleaning up their communities across America. We should have no child sex trafficking in any community in our country, but yet we do. We do, it’s either selling a kid to Uncle Bobby or, or selling it to somebody else, a buyer or a John or whatever it may be, and they make money off of it, and they think it’s a way of life. it’s kind of, like where are we going with our laws? look at what happens across America, when you become lenient. everybody’s like, everybody comes from a humanistic approach. Like everybody’s good and everybody just let’em do, they’ll love each other and they don’t. People aren’t naturally good. They’re not naturally good. They need lanes. They need lanes to stay in. they need laws to say if you do this, but when you lift those laws, like you say, oh, it’s okay. You can steal up to$900 worth of something and not be prosecuted. Oh yeah, guess what? Rape in California’s no longer consider a violent crime. Okay? And then you go, well, it’s okay for people to abuse children. We just keep going down that rabbit hole. Worse and worse and worse.


bringing this subject up here, and we could talk all day, but, with Epstein, what, what’s your opinion on how he lasted so long? with obviously the people that knew that were silent. What, what’s your take on that whole Epstein thing?


That’s a good question. I think we’re sitting at the 14,000 foot level, waiting to see the smoke clear to find out. What the evidence really looks like. But I will say this, anytime you slow roll an investigation that has that much intensity, and if that big a crime is committed, it’s because people are trying to figure out where they can hide and how they can cover our stuff. It’s the same thing with the Hunter Biden stuff. Everybody knows what the evidence is. And they would enter that. So why isn’t, he getting prosecuted?’cause the president is his father. I was told that by a three-letter agency. It was never gonna happen. So they’re all protecting. So whoever’s on that list of names and Epstein associated with Epstein, they’re trying to drag it out. To such a a point where people don’t care about it anymore. I’ll give you an example and there’s a term for it. If I were to tell America right now, my gosh, I learned that the Democratic Party assassinated Abraham Lincoln, do you think people would care? No. They go, well, that was back then. So they slow rolled it and nobody really cares. Good. But it’s a big deal that we assassinated a president in our own country. Same thing with Epstein if they can keep pushing it generation after generation, after generation, it’ll mean nothing to anybody and it’ll eventually go away. And that’s what they’re hoping for.


Well, when you go back and look. And people say, well, it’s just recently that we’ve had all this issues. Well, you can go back a hundred years. When it started in America, back to the Woodrow Wilson, in those days, the progressivism was starting the attempt. And really you think about it, our country was only what, 150 years old or so then, or a hundred and something, and it already started. Hey, we could change this and make it better. And you know, there’s some people that say, with, Karl, Marx and others, their whole thing was, there were needs to be changed. People were being taken advantage of, but perhaps they didn’t realize that their cure was gonna be worse than, what was going on. And out of that came these, brutal, regimes. And when you watch. Up through the years, progressivism would push, then it’d get pushed back, then it would go a surge. The difference with most. People, normal people, we get complacent. We don’t see something going on, so we think everything’s okay, everything’s great. But then when about the sixties hit in America, it’s when the real push started, they started getting some real groundwork and that’s when they started infiltrating the colleges and started with college. And and then the whole decay started with. This changing our society into a handout society. And when you look at countries out around the world, that went from freedom to some kind of a totalitarianism. if you talk to them, the same pattern happened there. They, they got a mass of people that were, handouts for the government. They had the keepman power. And then ultimately when they got enough power to take control, then everybody was a slave. And Americans, if we don’t wake up, that’s where we’re headed Now. I love to be able to, get that into the spirit of people, but, Baz I’m so glad that you’re doing what you’re doing. you’re doing the work of the Lord, no question. God cares for his babies and his his children,


but there you go.


like I said, we could talk for a long time about this, but we both probably have time. I guess I don’t wanna take too much of your time, but what would you leave. For the viewers and the watchers. how can we, is there any way, what can we do to get people to say, I’m gonna step outta the crowd. I’m gonna get involved, I’m gonna find out what these real issues are. Not listen to politicians, not listen to either side. Say there’s resources that every citizen today could use to research and find out fact not from a slanted viewpoint. What, what would be your, your message to the American people?


Gimme one second here. I got a team in the field. Let me just cut. Tell them to hold on. Okay. Stay right there, Phil.


Oh, go right ahead. Go right ahead. And action is going on as the work of recovering children is more important than a podcast. And, that’s what I love about Boss and what he’s doing, and I hope, we all as Americans will, Pick up on what he is saying and become alarmed enough that we start gathering information that will help us become part of the solution. Our silence is not part of the solution. It. You think might be keeping you from taking shots and getting people mad at you, but silence is not an option. We all need to have a voice and step up, step out and let our voices be heard and Baz go right on.


Thanks. you have to want to care first for all the issues. if we do not, then the question is who will? Sadly, there are more sheep than there are Shepherds if you do not value your freedoms and get involved in the issues that are in part of your country, then you’ll lose those freedoms. We know that, we are getting to a point in a broken judicial system, Phil, where, Americans are starting to realize that they only alternatives they have later, and I’ve seen this happen in third world countries, is if bad things happen to bad people. And so they go, how do we make bad things happen to bad people? that’s the mindset of good Americans now because they realize that, this progressive attitude is taking over. So, when it comes to getting people to step out, if you don’t step out, if you don’t get involved with the issue, it’s gonna end up on your doorstep. It doesn’t matter if it’s children, doesn’t matter if it’s freedom. It doesn’t matter if it’s the open border, if you don’t personally get involved, it’s gonna end up on your doorstep. We think because we’ve been lulled into this belief that everything happens on our computer. well, I’m gonna send a to my congressman, it doesn’t do anything. What the only thing we’ve seen that gives result is when flesh and bone shows up at the doorstep, when people go and, do something about it. Usually in masses, to be honest with you, I just took a look at the, Eagle Pass situation down on the border look like hundreds of thousands of Texans down there. And you know what? They’re getting the attention of the world and they’re gonna do something about it. And they’re gonna have their state rights and, maintain their sovereignty. But they came together because those people realize that if they do not, the federal government will, ruin them the way the federal government is ruining the country right now. So be a voice stand, get involved, when it comes to child sex trafficking. If you care about the issue, learn about the area of operation, and, come join us out there, and that when it comes to the nation, if you don’t save the nation, if we don’t save the constitution, you won’t have to worry about all the issues. Right, right. You won’t have to, you won’t, you won’t have freedom to do anything about the issues. Because the government will take over and everything. I, I never thought I’d be having these discussions. Phil, we’re having the same conversation founding fathers had in the 17 hundreds. It’s history repeats itself and there are those people that go, oh no, it’s not like that. Oh, it’s not this way. It’s like these, those are people that are, they got their head in the sand. They pretty much got their head in the sand. So doing things like you’re doing with. Getting involved with the issues is really and you can have a heart for God. You know, I will say this nation was founded on a Judeo-Christian platform, right? And I’m gonna tell you what, the further we stray from God, the further we get ourselves in trouble. Yes. That’s, that’s, I can’t make anybody a believer overnight, but I can tell you that if God’s not in the, in the midst of it. We’re gonna be in a lot of trouble.


Amen. Amen. And now, what’s the way that people could reach you, your, website? What is that?


Www.recoveryofchildren.org is our website, that talks about us. Recoveryofchildren.com will give you our schedule for the six different training courses that we have throughout America, in between all of our operations. Okay. and, you can go to info at Recoveryofchildren.com if you wanna send us an email. other than that, I can meet you on the street somewhere. And say hello.


Good. Right. Well, I’ll speak for America. We thank you Baz for what you and your team is doing and if you listen or watching have comments, please put them on any of the platforms. or better yet, you can email me directly at p little PI 7 7 7 at Gmail.com. Will you step out of the crowd? Stand with us. Let your voice be heard. Now we, know there’s a lot of information that we’ve shared, but listen to it carefully, thoughtfully, and we hope to hear from you and get you involved. So until next time, be safe. May God bless you. May God bless your family and may God bless America.





West Coast Detectives International is now one hundred years old.  Founded in 1922 and within those one hundred years a lot has happened both to WCDI and the world in general.  King Solomon said, “So there is nothing new under the sun.  Is there anything of which one might say, “See this, it is new”? It has already existed for ages which were before us.”  And, while change does happen all around us, some things never change, such as a client needing investigative help 100 years ago, 50 years ago, or today.  The needs are the same.  Helping people has been the number one focus for WCDI these past one hundred years and will always be our number one focus.

I cannot remember how many times I have been asked about the type of cases that I have worked.  How exciting it must be to be a P.I.  Well, I can say that after 200,000 or so cases in our history, we have had some interesting, exciting, crazy, and heart-breaking cases.

After a recent conversation, it was mentioned that I should share case stories, some of our history, from some of our more interesting case files.  Why not, I thought, it would be fun to go through our archives and share cases and some of the “old-school” investigative techniques used before the Internet.

Here we go.

Case 1:

Los Angeles, California

A call came in from Dallas, Texas. The President of an insurance company informed me that a man, a policy holder with a multimillion-dollar payout was found dead in our area, Ventura County.  He asked if I could meet with him in their headquarters in Dallas and retain our services.

Within 48-hours I was in a meeting gathering all the facts and victim information.  A few hours later I was on a flight back to L.A. with a briefcase full of documents and a retainer check.

I contacted the local Sheriffs office and spoke with the two detectives assigned to the case.  I found out that the victim was shot in the head with what look to be a 22 slug and unfortunately the autopsy confirmed that the bullet was not there.  I informed them on what background information I currently had on the victim and that I was headed to Washington State to gather more information and build a profile.  We shared our contact information and agreed to keep each other updated.

Victim Information (Name changed for privacy issues):

The victim, John Jones was a successful businessman from the Northwest who traveled to Los Angeles regularly.  What we soon discovered is that the life Mr. Jones lived in Washington State was polar opposite of the life he led in L.A.

State of Washington: Mr. Jones was married, a family man who was active in his church.

LA.: Mr. Jones had flashy younger girlfriend and loved the nightlife.

Upon our learning the girlfriend’s name, I sent some our investigator’s out to the streets of L.A. asking around, checking out the clubs they frequented. At first, we could not find anyone who knew them or offered any new leads or tips.

You’ve heard the saying, “It’s always darkest before the dawn,” or in this case dead ends before the big tip or hot lead.  By chance we found a former friend of the girlfriend who was more than willing to provide us with her name and address.  This was definitely an eureka moment in the investigation for us.

We notified the case detectives and we set up a twenty-four-hour surveillance on the subject’s residence.  Our objective now was to confirm the ID of the subject and see where she went and who she was associating with.

While my investigators were watching the girlfriend, I met with the detectives in their office.  They had discovered similar MO’s on other unsolved murder cases.  Male victims with large life insurance payouts after the policy had been recently taken out.  The detectives believe that it was part of an organized crime operation and that the FBI, LAPD, LASO, and the Texas Rangers all had similar open cases that they were investigating.  I was informed by the detectives that their department did not have the budge to handle an operation of this size, a multi-state investigation.  I asked them if I could use their phone and I made a call to my client.

After updating the client, they agreed to underwrite the cost of the taskforce.  The cost of the investigation verses the policy payout would save them millions.  It was a risk worth them taking.

Within a week I along with agents and officers from the various jurisdictions were sitting in a hotel room in Ventura County reviewing timelines, sharing information, strategizing, as tasks were assigned to each agency.  I continued working with the same detectives from Ventura County.

Police officers, especially homicide detectives regularly see the brutality of mankind.  They often develop think skin or what some outsiders would call callousness, or a dark sense of humor. The two detectives I was working with had developed close friendship and often joked with each other.  I was surprised that it was often light-hearted humor and not the other type.  I recall when we all flew to Dallas as part of the investigation and after arriving at the airport, one of the detectives jumped into a wheelchair and the other pushed him wildly through the airport.  It was a wild Code 3 wheelchair response.  You couldn’t help but laugh at the two kids, I mean homicide detectives ripping through the airport.

After the taskforce began it’s investigation, on one occasion I flew to San Antonio and upon my arrival at the airport I was discreetly met by some Texas Rangers.  They asked me if I had noticed the beautiful blonde woman that was on my flight.   Of course I thought to myself, everyone noticed her, however I casually told them that I was aware of her.  They informed me that she was working with the “bad guys”, and she was sent to follow me.  My thoughts quickly went to my family back in California and their safety.  I quickly realized that although I was living and working in the heart of the TV and Movie making industry, this was no TV show or movie. This was real life and I needed to be very careful.

In case you haven’t realized yet, this investigation took place in the 1970’s.  Well before the Internet and being able to do obtain a person’s full ID information, addresses, telephones, court records, financial history, and much more.  While there are restrictions on what can be accessed today, in the 70’s everything we did was by hand, or more accurately, by foot.  The P.I. world has evolved with the technological developments, but a case of this type would still require field work, aka., “Boots on the ground.”

As our investigation continued our investigators continued to hit the streets and following up on leads.  With the information that we were gathering along with the task force, we connected the dots to the organized crime ring to a string of murders.  We identified bodies, victims from Mexico to Panama, and across the U.S.

A break in the case came when we identified a prime suspect and the gun we believed was used in our murder as well as many others.  But we still had one key missing part, a body with the bullet still in it that we could match.

Maybe the big break came when we received a call about a body in Mexico that had been sent back to the states for burial.  Everything about this death matched our investigation.   We grew excited with anticipation that we finally would be able to have the evidence to make as arrest and stop these murders.  We obtained a court order to have the body exhumed and we waited.

When the casket arrived at the coroner’s office there were representatives from every jurisdiction of the task force including myself inside a private room.  We all positioned ourselves around the casket as the attendants began opening it.  It felt like an eternity. As the lid was raised open, we all took a collective gasp…yes, the body was there but one part was missing, the part with the bullet, the head.  Someone in Mexico had beaten us to the evidence.  As disappointed as we were, we were not defeated. We got back to work, we got back on the streets while law enforcement did their part.

As our investigation unfolded, we had learned that Mr. Ones had severe money needs.  As the story went, his girlfriend set him up with some money people and they had an opportunity for him.  Part of this opportunity required that a key man life insurance policy would need to be opened on him and he would need to provide some “good faith” up-front money. Mr. Jones would fly into L.A. to meet the money person, provide the money, and sign the papers.  Mr. Jones received a call from the money person to arrange the meeting in L.A.  After making the arrangements, Mr. Jones asked how he would recognize him.  He was told not to worry, “I know you.”  Unfortunately, this did not raise any questions in Mr. Jones’ mind.

After over a year of investigative work we were able to identify the ringleader of the organization.  We uncovered the money person who met Mr. Jones and the other victims.  What we learned was that every victim was told the same story about the money-making opportunity, and that a life insurance policy was needed to protect them.  The ghoulish part was that each victim was paying for their murder.  The up-front money was being handed directly to the hit man so there was no connection to the crime ring and the hitman.

Our investigation also found the travel schedule and flight information for the hitman. We confirmed he was on flights into LAX and other cities where the murders took place.

When Mr. Ones met the money person/hitman, they left in a vehicle together and the money was given to the hitman.  Somewhere along the drive from LAX to Ventura County, Mr. Johns was shot and killed, and his body was dumped off of the side of a hill.  The hitman then returned to LAX and boarded a plane and left state. He was in Los Angeles less than 12 hours.

As I previously mentioned, we identified the ringleader and when he was interviewed on his deathbed, he confessed to his involvement in the murders.

Case closed.

Hollywood has traditionally depicted an adversarial relationship between private investigators and the police.  That law enforcement refuses to work with P.I.’s.  While this can happen, at WCDI we have always had a good relationship with law enforcement.  We understand that we can assist and provide services to benefit their work. And in the end, the community benefits as well.






                                                                          PROTECTING AMERICA’S SPACE VEHICLE SECRETS

This is a case summary from our files, of a government client, using the undercover trade craft that I posted an overview on previously.

It was March 4th, a Tuesday, and we had just finished our 8 AM staff meeting which usually lasted about 30 minutes depending on issues we needed to handle. At a few minutes before nine, I was reviewing undercover reports that had come in the night before to determine if any clients needed to be briefed on urgent events, when my assistant called me and said I have a call from someone who said he was referred to you on line 3, I said OK I will pick up.

I picked up the phone and said good morning this is Phil Little how may I help you. He said this is Mark Wilson (named changed) and Matthew Roberts (named changed) who speaks very highly of you and said your agency would be able to help us. Mark went on to say I am head of operations for a joint military operation involving the space program in another state and we would like to come tomorrow and see you to talk privately since this is a classified operation and we are on an open line. I looked at my calendar and saw there was anything I couldn’t change, and I said of course what time.

Mark said they would be on a private plane coming into the Burbank airport and would arrive about 9 AM and I said great how many will be coming, and he said three and I said we will have a town car there to bring you to the office.

Mark and his team arrived about 9:45 and after introductions and with coffee in hand we went to the secured conference room to talk. Mark said they were part of a joint military services complex dealing with the space shuttles and they had internal problems and were concerned about foreign governments trying to obtain information and plans about the space shuttles. He unfortunately said the heads of the complex are scientists and do not understand the importance of security.

I ask Mark would this not be an FBI or other agency handling issues like this? He responded yes but there is concern about any people the government agencies might use being compromised due to the area being small and the chance that an under cover agent being recognized is very high. He said this is going to be a project which will take some time, so we wanted a dedicated agency with the background and experience in handling undercover operations. He said he got approval to bring in West Coast Detectives.

Then we got down to details and they said one issue is we cannot tell any of the HR department so the agents would have to go through the interviews on their own, I thought OH great there always has to be challenges.

I called in Rick; the head of our undercover unit and we had Mark Give us detailed descriptions of the jobs and a profile of the type of agents who would fit in to work force. I also ask Mark prepare a profile on the people who would be interviewing for the jobs. I asked for all their likes and dislike, their background such as any military experience. Give me any hot buttons that they would react positively to from the new hire.

As we wrapped up the meeting right before noon, we arranged for me to visit the complex on the following Monday, and they would give me a tour and have the profiles on the interviewers. I took them to lunch and after dropped them at the airport.

I met with Rick and other unit chiefs to layout plans to find the three agents we needed. I left them with the task of coming up with recruitment plans and would also be screening for agents we had who would qualify and be able to relocate for up to six months.

The next Monday March the 10th found me in my element, walking among flying machines. In the US Airforce I started on C-130s and was to be assigned to B-52s but after training  I transfer to a fighter squadron in California, which was the base where Fighters were being flown out to Vietnam. “I love airplanes.”

I was in every corner of the complex, including secured areas to get a feel for the activities so I could brief our agents going in. After a day with Mark and getting the profile on the interviews I returned to the airport and back to Los Angeles.

March 13, Wednesday, found me back at my office and I was pleased to learn the team had made good head way with two of our current staff of agents identified who would fit the profile and could be gone for up to six months. I went over the profiles of the interviewers at the client location so they could do initial briefing of the two agents separately and then I would spend time with each one.

 I wanted to be sure they understood the importance of security with this being a classified operation and both of these agents had security clearances from other assignments. By Friday, March 15, we had the third agent identified and the next week we would be updating backgrounds on our agents and doing a pre assignment Polygraph as part of our internal due diligence to protect our clients.

By Friday, March 22nd we had finished the pre assignment work and had them going to the client location for a new hire interview a day apart. Now we would see how good of actors the agents were. We had set up separate living locations for the agents so they would not be together and bring attention to three new hires living together.

I had learned from my time in the Air Force about the word prevention over and over again and this stuck with me into my business life, particular since we were protecting people and property. So, we did redundant role playing with the agents prior to sending them to the client location and it paid off. All three were hired within a week without anyone knowing they were undercover. That was kind of scary for if we could plant agents inside this secure government operation, then any foreign government with their resources could do the same thing. That would be in my finally report to the client.

We had an agent on each of the three shifts and the daily reports started showing a lack of security and very little concern about it with a lot of wasted time and drug use. This was a reminder that when the people at the top were not security aware that worked its way down to the employees who took advantage of the lack security. We would be looking to see if there was dealing of drugs going on internally or theft of government property. The reports after being formatted were mailed to clients every day and if there was an problem that was life threatening the client was notified by phone and an action plan was discussed. 

Within 6 weeks our lead agent was promoted to team lead on the night shift, and this gave him more access without being questioned. This is another one our prevention trainings points, that the agents have to be able to play a dual role, the good employee for the management and one open to work with the employees who were suspects.

Our normal approach is to build any criminal cases as we go on with the operation, but not making  any arrest until the end so we don’t expose the undercover agents. Our trade craft is to use the undercover reports to lead us to ways we can build a case without undercover testimony, so the agent can be used on other cases.

Over the next six months I would go to the client location for meetings to discuss project developments and make sure the client knew our objectives. As the weeks went by the list of employees who needed to be replaced grew. There were the basic lazy employees and only doing another to get by, which was affecting the mission of the operation, and there were drug users who were enough involved to affect their jobs and would need to be interviewed at the end of the assignment to try and find out their suppliers.

The night shifts were the most exposed with darkness hiding some activities. We would recommend more lighting in some places. With the size of the plant and number of employees our list was over had over 50 suspects going into the 4th month.

It was in the fourth month that one of our agents was alerted by another employee that a couple of the employees seemed to be asking a lot of unusual questions, like where were certain critical parts kept when it wasn’t in their need to know. The employee said they were moving around a lot to places that they didn’t need to be.

The agent provided me with the two employees names, and I called Mark and ask him to get me a copy of the two files and anything they might have on the background done on them.

He noted when he sent me the files that when he reviewed the backgrounds, he saw that a lot of the background items were not done on both the subjects. He said only the basic check was done. That made him wonder how many more was like that.

I immediately sent the file to our research and ID team and told them to do a full work up on both subjects back to birth and do it quickly.

I was on a plane to the clients the next morning for meetings with the agents to go over how they were to focus on the two subjects. They were to be normal but look for and develop openings to talk to the subjects and see if any social meetings could be put together to try and learn more about them.

I spent two days meeting with agents and client and when I got back to my office, I had large files on my desk with the first part of the work up on both subjects. We had many “Red Flags” starting with gaps in their history, questions about where they were born, how they received Social Security Cards. I directed the research division to keep digging.

We also discovered that they had two different addresses at the client location, both were mail drops and further digging showed they were actually living at the same address in a low-income area.

After briefing the client, we initiated surveillance from when they left the office until they went to bed. I alerted the agents that we were possible dealing with plants by foreign governments so be alert. A big part of undercover work is the agents fitting into their surroundings and with the surveillance on the two suspects living location being lower income the surveillance can or high profile cars were out of the question. We sourced two older vehicles with some defects and the agents dressed for the area and moved positions frequently. 


I am going to summaries the past 2 months of the case. If I had written blow by blow of all the details, it would be a book.

After starting the surveillance, we were looking for evidence that would show what the subjects were doing and if they were trying to steal plans on our space vehicles. The surveillance ran from the time they left their house in the morning until lights went off at night.

We also focused the agents on the subjects to see if they could build relationship with them. We suspected that if the two subjects were “Spies” they might have their guard down with the ease they got hired and the lack of security so apparently at the complex.

Over the weeks with now having two areas of investigations we maintained our internal focus on drug, supervisor issues, areas where illegal activities were going unobserved and where changes or upgrades to security were required, while the outside team worked on the two subjects.

We were several weeks into the surveillance when we hit the jack pot. Both subjects left their house going in different directions as we followed them they went 10 miles out of town to a roadside café. After going in and taking a booth at the back of the small restaurant they were joined by a subject that arrived shortly after they did.

One of the surveillance agents had gone in after the suspects and when the third subject arrives to the booth, he let the outside agents know and they got the license plate and put a non-traceable tracking device on the subjects car in case we lost him on a loose surveillance expecting him to be watching for a tail. The tracking device proved to be a God send for when he left, he started doing techniques which showed he was looking for a tail. The agents backed off and used the tracking device to get him to his location.

The subject who arrived and met with the suspects after some work up on him, gave suspicion that he was a handler for the suspects. It was time to meet with the local FBI office.

We were now approaching time to bring all the investigations to a close with over 60 employees being interviewed for illegal activities along with preparing a hard-hitting report on the need for a complete revamping of the security system approach along with details on how to make the changes. Our government security support division stayed on as consultants to help select the equipment and train a more professional level of  security agents.

We had meetings with the local FBI field office and briefed them on all our discovery during the investigation with copies of reports, videos, audio, and photos of the all the suspects. They took over the final work on the two suspected spies and their support network and I coordinated the internal interviews with the employees who took part in drugs and other company violations. The FBI took several weeks to get to the point where they could bring the suspects along with the man who met with them in for interrogation. We assisted them with details that helped them bring the came to successful conclusion. The suspects were plants by a foreign government but now they were out of work 

This was a very rewarding conclusion for us, but due to the case being undercover and classified we couldn’t use any of the clients appreciation for a job well done. But knowing we had helped keep our space program a little more secure was all the thanks we needed.

God Bless America







During the 60s through the 90’s our Undercover Division was one the busiest of our agency. With thousands of cases there was every variety of illegal activities you could think of. With a team of over 100 men and women in this division we would on some occasions have 3-5 agents in the same company working different shifts.
The undercover agent placed as a normal worker, that fit the employee profile of other workers, proved the most effective tool to finding out what was going on inside a company/s work force and stopping illegal activities.
As an interrogator it made my success close to 100 percent of getting confessions out of the suspects. I would usually start my interview by disarming them, talking about their job at the company how they liked it and found out about their family. They are getting relaxed and feeling that this is not going to be so bad. Then I say just so you know we have been waking you up and putting you to bed for some time. I think I know most of the story but why don’t you fill me in on all the details.
I would go on with something like as long as you are truthful with me in this room, I can help you but if this goes to the authorities it will be out of my hands. As I would set and watch the person, I would see their face expressions tighten and their Adams apple quiring and in most cases they would start with a defense of why they got involved in illegal activities.
In a few cases they would say what are you talking about I have done nothing wrong. Then I would open my file filled with pages and I would flip through and say let see on Friday April 4 at 4 pm you were driving down Fifth Ave and you turned on Chase street and went to your home and took boxes out of the truck into your garage. They would fold.
Maybe 1 out of a hundred or so would be Con wise and just deny and say take your best shot, thinking I was bluffing. I would call in the local detectives who I had on standby and send them off to be booked.
On occasion we would work government related cases and the following is one of those cases. The “Trade craft” we used was developed over time with trial and error. In our corporate cases usually only 2 or 3 people right at the top of the client company would know about the placement of the agent, with one being the HR director. In the government cases it was even tighter and the HR hiring person would not know, which called for the agent to get hired on their own.
To be successful in this approach we would have the client give us everything they knew about the hiring person and anyone the agent would be interviewed by. Then we would do a full profile on them about how they wanted new hires to look, act and the background they liked for them have. We would then spend hours with the agents developing their cover stories. In the case that I will be posting later we have 3 agents being placed inside the “G” client and all three of the agents were hired very quickly after their interviews due to their pre interview briefings and role playing.

                                                                  CASE SUMMARY COMING SOON 



To be or not to be – Is there a royal baby?

The actual case was conducted over several months in the United States and Europe. For the sake of time and space, this case study is a condensed timeline of some of the more important and interesting investigative activities and techniques that were taken to meet the client’s goal.

The names have been changed to protect their identities.


My intercom rang in my office and my assistant informed me that a long-time friend and client was on the phone and wanted to speak with me.  Joseph Schmidt was an international businessman whose family has ties to the Middle East where they built a large and successful business. Their business brought them clientele and friendships with high-level officials, wealthy businessmen, and world leaders. During the call, Joe informed me of a very sensitive and important matter concerning one of his clients. He asked for my help and when I could meet him in Northern California.

I was on a plane the following day.

July – Day One

I was met at the airport by one of Joseph’s drivers who took me to this restored castle, which was Joe’s home. It had been a while since I had been there, and it was even more amazing than before.  One of the rooms was made to replicate his favorite Pub in England. The only things missing were the fog and rain.

As we sat down in his Pub, Joseph began to tell me the reason why he needed my help.

One of these country leaders had called Joseph to his palace to entrust him with a very sensitive issue. He told him the story that he had a relationship with a young woman that did not live in his country, and she claims that he is the father of a son born to her, but she refuses to let him see the child. The woman lives In London and other than her name and a cell phone he didn’t have a lot of information.

Over the next few hours, we talked about an action plan and the risk involved. I told Joseph I would first have our agents in London, some still active Stockland Yard, and SAS members, make some discreet inquiries. We would use her cell phone to get more identifying intelligence and background information on the woman. We needed to find her residence first. With the emerging Internet and the information that it offered; we would cut weeks of time off of the agent’s shoe leather work. The time it used to take to gather research information.

As we were winding up our meeting, two plates of Fish and Chips arrived along with two pints of beer. After lunch, I was driven back to the airport with a retainer check in hand and anticipation and excitement for the possibilities of this case.

Day Two

When cases cross international borders, there is no telling when your phone will ring. You tend to sleep a little lighter, and the workdays start earlier than usual, as was the case this morning.

As the sun was beginning to light the Los Angeles skyline, I and my operations leaders were sitting in the conference room reviewing the case files I put together. As I expected, everyone volunteered to go when the team learned that there was work to do on the ground in London. We laughed about it, and I humorously thanked them for their dedication as I informed them that position was already assigned.

As we worked through the case file and made notes, I assigned our Investigative Case Manager to oversee and coordinate the worldwide operations with our foreign assets while I was in London.

Everyone had their assignments and as they walked out of the conference room, I was confident that I had the best team around me, and that we would succeed. Now, I needed to contact my friend and colleague in London, Bill.

Bill was our Station Chief in London, and he is active in Scotland Yard. After catching up I briefed him on the case and provided him with the subject’s name and cell phone number to help ID her.

Once we located her address, we would set up 24-hour surveillance on her and want to get lots of photos of her and her daily activities. We want to know what she does during the day. Does she work? Whom does she meet? What are and where are her favorite places to eat, party, whatever she does – I wanted to know. I had a saying for special cases like this, I wanted to know what makes the subject tick.

I reiterated to Bill, that one of the most important elements that we were on the lookout for was a 5–8-year-old boy associated with the subject. I told Bill as soon as we know where she is I will be flying over to get firsthand information and help with the direction on the work.

Day Six

In the pre-dawn hours, my phone rang. I cleared the cobwebs from my sleepiness as Bill’s British accent greeted me with a hello. I knew that he wouldn’t be calling me this early if he hadn’t found something good.

“Good news”, Bill said, “Phil, this is a very interesting lady. We have her full name, date of birth, passport, and where she lives.” “That’s great news…” before I could finish my thought, Bill interrupted, Here’s the really interesting part. She is in England on a Visa. She is Iranian and lives in a two-million-pound home in a very upscale neighborhood. At this point, we cannot find any source of income for her, and the home is owned by an offshore trust. There are no tax records that we can find but we are still working on that.”  “That is very interesting, Bill.”  Bill had set up the surveillance and would keep me posted until I arrived in London. I told him I would be on a flight in a couple of days.

As I laid back in my bed, my thoughts were racing around in my head and there was no way that I was falling back asleep.  These were the moments that I loved as a Private Investigator, discovering the information that was once unknown and now putting the pieces of the puzzle together.

Day Eight When I arrived in London, I was met at the airport by one of our SAS team members. After checking in at the hotel, Bill and David, the surveillance team leaders, and I had a strategy meeting in my room.

So far, there had not been any sighting of the subject with a child. Our research had shown that the subject, Amira, travels a lot, and often it appears to be last-minute traveling. This raised several questions as well as some complications for the surveillance team. The team had to have their passports, a Go-Bag, and cash them in case the subject decided to do some traveling.

We also discussed how we could find out more information about her, and we decided that a middle-of-the-night trash run might help us. There are risks to this, but fortunately, at this time, there were not any security cameras that covered the street area where the cans were placed. When it comes to trash runs, I remember an old investigative proverb, “beware of what leads you find in the trash.”

Day Nine & Ten

I arrived in London in the late afternoon and knowing that the team had everything underway and operating, I checked into my hotel room and got caught up on my sleep. I have found that when you are in a foreign land, take the time to look around. Find some time, if possible, to see local sites, meet new people, and in this case carve out a night to go see Phantom of the Opera with Michael Crawford.

As we sorted through the trash that we were collecting from the subject’s residence, we were finding some very interesting and informative items. There were letters, but email was not around at this time. We found faxes, financial information, and notes on flight reservations. We also noticed something interesting in the flight information, she was making notes on new flight destinations, changing the reservations she had made a few days before. This caused us to question her actions. What was she up to? Had we tipped her off in some way that she was being watched?

With all the unknowns and the subject living in London on a Visa, Bill alerted intelligence and immigration to do a target package on her. We also discovered that she had a contract maid service, and it was owned by a former cop. Bill said he would reach out to him and see if we could put one of our people on the crew.

We received word from the owner of the maid service that he was willing to have one of our female agents work as a maid at the subject’s residence. This was great news. There is nothing better in an investigation than to have eyes and ears on the inside.

Over the next five weeks, we documented her activities, developing her routine with 24-hour surveillance and the ongoing trash runs. We learned through surveillance that she would often leave the house around midnight. The Subject, Amira, liked to go to the after-hours clubs in London, which were very popular with the people who liked the party scene and didn’t have to get up early. They were open until 4 AM or later.

As we kept up the 24-hour surveillance and our intelligence unit kept digging on every lead, everything took a twist as Bill called me to say we have some interesting information on our lady. British intelligence has her on a watch list, and she is an Iranian intelligence agent, and they have been tracking her contacts and movements. Bill had alerted them that we were working on her also. We agreed to keep them informed, particularly if she left the country unexpectedly. They assumed she had other identities with documents she could use.

I called our teams and Intelligence Director to meet me at Bills Scotland Yard office so we could review and strategize. One topic of discussion was her proclivity to hitting the after-hours club scene and asking how we could exploit this activity. Bill suggested that since I was an American Tourist, I would be the best candidate to try and have a chance to meet her. She has a favorite club that she goes to a lot, and I asked David to do advance work and check the place out in case that would be her next destination on her next late night out.

Day Forty-Five

David and I met to go over his assessment report for the club. The club was about fifteen minutes from my hotel and thirty minutes from Amira’s home. The club was very upscale, with many government officials and wealthy businessmen seen at the club. Perhaps this was Amira’s real interest in the club. The dress code was a suit and tie; fortunately, I always travel with one special suit for such occasions. David also informed me that the doorman is an ex-copper, and he will be an extra pair of eyes for us. David suggested I visit the club tonight to get the layout of the inside.

This means I have homework to do before I attempt to contact her. I have to be very careful with what I say, be believable. I was working under my true name, so didn’t have to worry about her checking me out and getting alerted to our efforts. Fortunately, the internet was in its infancy, so she would not be able to conduct a social media search on my name. Time to be calm and remember I am dealing with someone who is probably as good as I am or better at discreet interrogation.

Meanwhile, the surveillance continued at the house, with everyone coming and going being photographed and sent to MI5 for possible identification.

Day Forty-Six

My late-night, early-morning visit to the club provided me with some useful information. One, they served a Montrachet White Burgundy by the glass. This is considered by many to be the best white wine in the world. Secondly, the club had a great jazz band. It was a great way to spend a night, intel gathering with a glass of Montrachet and a few jazz greats.

The surveillance continued, and as hoped, on Thursday night just after midnight, she left the house and entered the back seat of a car alone. The car had a driver, probably her regular driver. Hopefully, that meant she was going to the club by herself and not stopping along the way to pick up a male companion. After being notified, I left my hotel with two of our former SAS agents and headed for the club. I wanted to get to the club ahead of her.  As a precaution, we had a team following her just in case she wasn’t going to her favorite club.

Day Forty-47

We arrived at the club, just off Central Street, and parked across and just back from the alley entrance to the unmarked club. With the former “Copper” at the door, this reminded me of some of the upscale clubs in Los Angeles where the security teams were headed by former West Coast Detectives agents. We had no waiting in line at those clubs, thankfully.

Amira’s car pulled up about 5 minutes after we got there, and the surveillance team watched her get out and enter the club. Her car then drove up the block, stopped, and parked. The driver was staying close by, waiting. We also had to assume the possibility that she would have a protection detail inside the club waiting for her.

I waited about 10 minutes before going into the club, and once again, I was met with the beautiful sounds of soft jazz music. I went to the bar, ordered my drink, and scanned the room. There she was, sitting at a table by herself with a panoramic view of the club. She had the perfect spot to watch everyone. She was definitely a woman a man would not miss, and she looked like she had stepped out of a fashion magazine. She looked relaxed, calm, and in complete control. She looked and acted like this was her club.

As a good bartender would, he noticed that I had looked at Amira. As he brought me my glass of Montrachet, he leaned across the bar and said, “She’s quite a looker, and she is single”, with a wink,

As the night went on, the club was filling up. A couple had come and joined Amira at her table, but there was still an open chair. Maybe for me? The band began playing a fast song when Amira and the other woman got up to dance, she was a very good dancer. As the set continued, still one empty chair at her table. Thinking to myself, I said, “why not, let’s see if she would like to dance a slow one?”

I approached her table and told her that she is a very good dancer, and I was wondering if I could get a lesson or two since my feet don’t always do what they are supposed to do. She looked up at me with a little smile and a sparkle in her hazel eyes, “a free dance lesson, that is a new one for me.” She asked if I was an American, I introduced myself and I gave her my cover story. Then, as if I set it up with the band, the perfect slow song started. She stood and took my hand and led me to the dance floor.

This woman looked good, smelled good, and floated across the dance floor. She asked me how I had found the club, and I gave her the cover story about a friend who had been to London, and as we danced, we both questioned each other.

As I took her back to her table, she introduced me to the other couple and asked me if I would like to join them. Before I could answer, she waved to the bartender to bring my drink over.

The other couple was Iranians, and they looked very alert and aware of their surroundings but very friendly and open. We spent the next three hours dancing and talking, and when she was ready to leave, she asked me how long I would be in London. I said, “about a week or so”, she said, “that’s too bad. I will be out of the country next week, maybe we could meet again?” As I gave her my hotel number, I replied, “I would like that, ” in case she got back before I left.”

There wasn’t any indication that she was anything other than a single lady out with friends who didn’t have to get up early. As this was not a time for probing questions that might raise her suspicions, however, it did seem that our intel on her trip to Hawaii might be right. I would alert the team to be prepared to fly.

I waited at the table after they left, thinking that this was one of the better nights of surveillance I have had. Montrachet by the glass to drink, a beautiful woman to dance with, and great music. Just like the movies, but I knew that I had to watch my back.

Day Forty-Eight

Events started moving fast with the agent on the inside. We learned that Amira was flying to Honolulu to visit a sister the following Monday via British Airways and was scheduled to return eight days later.  We also learned from our agent on the cleaning crew that she learned that Amira knew she was being watched, and she was feeding false information in the trash to just keep people guessing. So, we couldn’t depend on what we were getting in the trash. The agent also learned Amira had an eighteen-year-old daughter going to school in France.

Up to this point of our investigation, there has been no evidence found of a male child or even the mention of one. Perhaps our luck might change with the Honolulu trip. She may have left the son with her sister to hide him from detection.

I asked Bill to get a message to the agent on the inside to gather all the data she could on the daughter going to school in France so we could have a target package work-up on her. As we were working to find the answer to our questions, it was clear that without the agent on the inside, the trail probably would have gone cold.

The team following Amira to Honolulu booked seats on the same flight, and they were able to get seats two rows behind hers in first class. At the same time, we had our Honolulu agents working on a target package on the sister to find out everything about her, where she lives, and how difficult surveillance would be on her residence.

Day Forty-Nine & Fifty

After the advance work was complete on the residence and surveillance locations were approved, I directed 24-hour surveillance to begin. Once our target package on her was complete, we would know if she had any children and if any were boys.

Day Fifty-One & Fifty-Two

The agent on the inside of the residence discovered, while cleaning and moving things around, the full name of the daughter and date of birth from her school file. There were also some letters from the daughter to Amira with her return address. The agent was able to take pictures of the letter and a photo of the daughter using a concealed camera in a pen she was carrying with her.

Day Fifty-Three

Now that we have identifying information on the daughter, we faxed the photo and personal data to our agent at the French Nation Police so that he could start a target packet background. Once that was done, we would start surveillance so that we could identify a pattern of her activities, both school and socially. We would also assign one of our female agents in France to do a pretext interview with her. Once we were ready to approach the daughter, I would fly to Paris to meet our agent, and review the information gathered and our strategy. This was going to be an important assignment for us. Besides trying to gather intelligence on her mother, we want to create and develop a reason or opportunity to visit her more than once.

The flight to Honolulu was on schedule, and Amira made the flight. There had been instances in the past where she went to the airport, checked in, only to then slip out of a side entrance. This time, however, she did board the flight with our agents close behind her. Meanwhile, the agents in Honolulu would follow the sister, who was coming to the airport to pick her up.

In the middle of the night, one of our agents placed a tracking device on the sister’s car. This would allow our agents to maintain a greater surveillance distance. While one agent followed the vehicle, we also had one agent in front of them. The agents we were working with were both retired HPD and had let the airport police know they were working at the airport. Also, due to the foreign agent issue with Amira, Bill had briefed HPD Intelligence that we were there, and they would assist us if we needed them. As it turned out, they did go to the sister’s home and stayed in for the night.

Day Fifty-Four – Sixty-One

I increased the daytime surveillance to three agents, and we had the opportunity to place a clear stripe on the top of the sister’s car that was not visible to the eye but could be seen from the air, by helicopter or plane using an infrared camera. This was a backup to the tracker and the three agents, we had access to HPD chopper, which would be in the air when we were on the move in the event traffic was bad. We could not afford to lose her since this might hold the secret about the possible missing “royal child.”

Over the next week of constant surveillance and from our background work, we did not find any boy at or near the age that we were looking for. It appeared she was simply visiting her sister, and since we did not set up any listening devices, we came to the conclusion that this was not where she might hide her son. There was nothing unusual or suspicious about their time together. They went out to dinner, to the beach, and drove to some of the touristy places. There was no indication of any deception. Then again, maybe she took us on a wild goose chase to spend some of the Client’s vast fortune.

Day Sixty-Two

Amira, and our agents, flew back to London, and she arrived back at her residence. We will see if she settles into her normal routine, and I will have to decide about seeing her again.

Day Sixty-Three & Sixty-Four

Now that Amira was back on the ground in London, I did not have to be in constant contact with agents on the ground in Honolulu, which took some of the pressure off of me. Now I could focus my attention back on our activities in London and Paris.

With the target package completed on the daughter and the advance work done on the school and Apartment, I decided to go to Paris to direct and be able to better access if we needed to have ongoing contact with the daughter.

I must admit that part of the reason for going to Paris was my love for Paris and being able to walk the streets and have my very fresh coffee and real French chocolate croissants at the sidewalk cafés, also, I enjoy people-watching. Trying to figure out the who, what, and where’s of people as they walk by.

In order to get close, or develop a relationship with the daughter, we needed a female agent with certain qualifications and abilities.  Fortunately, we had such an agent. Our agent was young and attractive and could pass as a college student. The plan was for her to show up at a café near her apartment over several days that the daughter frequented. The agent would sit close by, and she would offer a greeting to get the daughter familiar with the agent. Our agent had a college business book, and the cover would be that she was working on a degree in international business, as was the daughter.

Day Sixty-Five

On our first day of surveillance, the daughter stopped for coffee and a croissant to go. On the second day, she came back after school and took a table and ordered a meal. She also pulled out her books to study.

On the third day, the agent was setting two tables away and made a comment to the daughter about all the studying for classes, which sparked a conversation. Before they left the café, they had exchanged phone numbers, and after a week of meeting at the coffee shop they arranged a night out. By this time, the agent had learned a lot about her family, and there was never a reference made to a brother. In fact, she made the statement that she was an only child. Our agent was going to meet her at her apartment before their night out so he would check for any family pictures or other evidence of a brother.

Day Seventy-Five

The agent and the daughter were spending time together and the agent had developed a story that she has three brothers, which in fact she did. On this night, while out at a club, between dancing, some drinks, and fending off the guys, the agent asked her if she missed not having a brother. She responded nonchalantly with a “no, not really.” What the agent had discovered during this time was that the daughter had spent most of the time, since she was twelve, in boarding school, and she would go home during school breaks. She said her mother was working with the family business in Iran.

Day Seventy-Six

After a complete debriefing with the agent, it was clear that there was no evidence that the sister was aware of a brother. She came across as being truthful and, in general, as a typical eighteen-year-old college student. But before I headed back to London, just one more night in Paris to reward the agent for a job well done. I made reservations for dinner at La Tour d’ Argent, you can feel the history as it goes back to the 1500s, and King Henri III was a frequent guest. This 4-hour dinner could have lasted longer.

Day Seventy-Seven – Seventy-Nine

After I arrived back in London, I received a briefing on the Hawaii results, and Amira was back to her old routine, planting false information in the trash, shopping, and playing tennis on occasion.

On a side note, we also received some intel from the states that was not related to our investigation, but the word was Amira and her brother, who spent a lot of time in the states and was around the political scene, had made an approach to a high-level staffer of the Bush 2000 campaign. Their offer was that they had supposed proof that Bush and some people around him had been involved in a scheme in Latin America, similar to the Iran Contra weapons program. They alleged that Bush and a group were going to supply weapons by going around congress to groups fighting the leftist. They were willing to keep this information a secret if Bush dropped sanctions against Iran.

They were told no deal, and they faded away with nothing ever being released. This gave support to Amira’s connection to the regime in Iran, which didn’t affect the evaluation of her having a royal son.

It was time to call all of the team together and review our findings, our activities, and the resources we used. As I am with every case, but more so on a case of this magnitude, I am very concerned when I tell a client there is nothing there, that we are as sure as we can humanly be that it is a fact.

We had run extensive checks in England, France, and Hawaii for birth records for the five-year period after the last time she had seen the Middle Eastern leader. We found no records of a birth record, and we checked using a combination of names she might have used.

Now with all the surveillance time spent, the inside agent, the information from the daughter, and learning how good she is at False Flag-type information, we have come to the conclusion that she is scamming the leader for some unknown purpose. She does not have a royal son!

I thanked the team, and then I headed back to Los Angeles. I briefed the client, but I still had a lot of work to do on the final report.